Lithuanian composer Žibuoklė Martinaitytė writes multilayered music that she hopes will grant listeners the liberty to enter an altered mind-set.
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The Lithuanian composer Žibuoklė Martinaitytė thinks far more deeply about music than most of us. She respects it, even fears it. It possesses a mysterious gravitational power, she says, pulling you into its orbit, but in addition affords freedom to push away from your self, to jettison no matter occupies your thoughts. Music is “the essence of life,” as she places it. It is an act of transformation.
Martinaitytė, now 52, is slowly gaining visibility exterior her homeland. Starting in 2019, a collection of well-received recordings has showcased her imaginative strategies in orchestrating ensembles massive and small, with final 12 months’s Aletheia that includes 4 compelling choral works in magnificent performances by the Latvian Radio Choir. She received a Guggenheim Fellowship in 2020, permitting her to compose the hour-long Hadal Zone, a cinematic deep dive to the underside of the ocean. In 2022, the New York Philharmonic gave the U.S. premiere of Saudade, her orchestral ode to nostalgia.
In contrast to most composers, who stay for the day they’ll hear their music come alive off the web page, there was a interval early on when Martinaitytė did not need her music carried out. As a substitute, she first took time to totally perceive herself, her relationship to what she was composing and what impact it might need on an viewers. Listening to the composer’s slow-moving scores, with their intricately woven layers, your thoughts can play tips on you — and that is simply how she needs it. Time winds right down to a glacial tempo, harmonies flash out and in of focus, scraps of melody float amid oases of shimmering gentle or sink in darkish shadows. Now, with extra recordings, performances and commissions underway — together with an upcoming opera made in collaboration with the late Robert Wilson — Martinaitytė is lastly poised to grow to be a serious determine in her area.
From her generations-old household dwelling and studio within the again nation of Northwest Lithuania — the place she spends every summer season composing, away from her dwelling base in New York — Martinaitytė joined a video chat to speak in regards to the function of music in our lives, the worth of silence in composition and why she likes the time period “statically dynamic” to explain her personal work.
This interview has been edited for size and readability.
Tom Huizenga: I would like to start with a quote about your music from the late composer Ingram Marshall: “If this music transports you right into a haunting, mysterious dream world, don’t be concerned about it — it is solely doing its job.” I am curious what you consider that description.
Žibuoklė Martinaitytė: Ingram Marshall wrote this quote, along with this system notes, for my CD referred to as In Search of Misplaced Magnificence. It is a piano trio with electronics, and the electronics have pre-recorded the identical devices because the stay devices. If you combine these palettes of actual and barely much less actual, you get this type of subtle notion, which tips your mind — I believe that was a part of what he meant. However one other half is the type of altered mind-set the listener enters, the place all of the constraints of our actuality, of how time flows, is being erased with the assistance of music.
Why would you like your listeners to be transported in that method?
The older I get, each time I hearken to some piece, what issues to me is whether or not it takes me someplace, whether or not it takes me out of myself. I do not wish to be in myself. I wish to neglect about time. I wish to be elsewhere, and revel in that. And I believe we deserve that freedom of exploration of locations unknown to us. In our every day life, we’re very restricted beings — there are bodily limitations, psychological limitations, every kind of limitations. However artwork, and particularly music being such an ephemeral artwork, can take you thru a lifetime in a single hour, no downside.
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I do get a sense just like Marshall’s description when experiencing your music — not solely in In Search of Misplaced Magnificence, however in Hadal Zone, Saudade and the complete Ex tenebris lux album. It is a singular feeling the place you do not know what’s coming subsequent, but you are feeling you might be in a principally protected area, like when a e-book or film pulls you deep into its world.
I believe you perceive my intentions behind the music. I fastidiously craft the emotional sequences of how I, because the composer, really feel by way of the method, but in addition what the listener’s journey will probably be. It has its personal logic and its personal transcendence, and generally it goes to darkish locations. Typically you must descend into the darkness of your individual existential depth as a result of it is a part of being human.
What the listener’s thoughts is experiencing is what they’ve within themselves. Everyone involves a live performance with a unique mind-set. Some persons are open to going to locations of internal expertise. Others resist, so it takes time for them to get in. I wish to consider my music helps the listener to enter that area. However what occurs with them? It actually relies upon upon them, not upon me.
Marshall mentioned that the music is “solely doing its job.” What do you suppose is music’s job?
There isn’t any good reply for that, proper? Music has a lot which means and features ascribed to it by way of historical past. For me, music encompasses all the pieces. It is the essence of life, the essence of our human thoughts, the essence of freedom. And freedom is a vital idea for me, as a result of I grew up in Soviet occasions when there was no freedom.
Music, for me, will not be utilitarian. It is not one thing that fills area in order that we really feel extra snug. Music is an act of transformation, and an act of transcendence. We return from it higher human beings. We get purified inside, and when the music is over, we really feel lighter, like we have gained extra internal area. Even our gaze widens slightly bit — we get that peripheral imaginative and prescient. It expands us in all dimensions.
Martinaitytė at her studio in Lithuania in 2016. The composer says she prefers concentrated intervals of composing in the summertime, when the writing flows simpler.
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Let’s discuss a bit about your early years. You have been born in St. Petersburg, then referred to as Leningrad, within the Soviet period. However your dad and mom, I take it, have been native Lithuanians who moved again to Lithuania?
Sure, once I was 5 years outdated, as a result of I wanted to go to highschool — and my dad and mom have been involved that I’d begin talking Russian as a substitute of Lithuanian.
What sort of music did you hear round the home? What captured your curiosity?
My mom used to sing me lullabies, however she’s not a really musical individual. Each time she sang, the lullabies would sound completely different, as if she was composing melodies — and since she did not have a superb ear, she was singing nearly Schoenberg-like melodies. I beloved the standard of her voice as an instrument, and I may comply with that instrument anyplace she went, all these meanderings. That is what I beloved probably the most in my childhood. I at all times requested her to sing for me in order that I may relive the expertise.
Have been your dad and mom fascinated about classical music?
My father was an enormous admirer; he undoubtedly had musical skills. He may truly learn scores and even carried out a navy choir, and he additionally performed accordion.
Then all the pieces modified once I went to highschool. It was a college for musically gifted kids; I used to be surrounded by music on a regular basis. You heard it within the corridors — at all times Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin. You can hear all of it day lengthy.
The piano was, and is, your instrument, however was there some extent at which you knew you needed to grow to be a composer?
I keep in mind that second very vividly. I used to be 13 years outdated and there was, I suppose, a number of hormonal fluctuations occurring at the moment. I used to be experiencing moods that have been too robust for me to deal with. At some point I used to be extraordinarily sad with myself and did not know methods to channel it, and abruptly I noticed a chunk of paper and was like, “That is it. I will write it out.”
I used to be shocked the concept got here to me, as a result of I did not even know that residing composers existed at the moment. We weren’t uncovered to any up to date music. I wrote that first piece for the piano, and afterward I felt so relieved and reworked. I regarded into the mirror and noticed a unique individual fully. And I understood that that is going to be my life — not as a performer, however as a composer.
Quickly after that have, a composition instructor got here to our college. He was a really younger composer who simply graduated from the music academy. After the primary few classes, once I began composing an increasing number of, he mentioned very clearly, “You’re a composer. That is your future.” I used to be like, “You possibly can’t know that.” He mentioned, “I do know it. I see it. You can not idiot your self.”
I do know there is a vibrant historical past of classical music in Lithuania, however these composers are nonetheless nearly unknown right here. Why is that?
Lithuania is a small nation, so it may be recognized solely to a sure diploma. The unfold of a tradition may be very typically related to the political energy — how a rustic represents itself, the place the funding goes. Except a small nation has some type of genius, the nation simply would not have the construction and political help to grow to be extra broadly recognized. We had one, Mikalojus Čiurlionis, who was a composer and painter. However right now, it is simpler as a result of we’ve got a number of opera singers who’ve grow to be well-known on the earth — Asmik Grigorian, for example. And now we’ve got a number of feminine conductors coming from Lithuania, like Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla. There’s a complete era of younger conductors who’re making Lithuania well-known.
And now you are making Lithuania well-known — as a composer, you are the face of Lithuanian classical music worldwide. No stress, proper?
[Laughs] After all there’s stress! Earlier than I got here to the US, which occurred nearly 20 years in the past, I by no means considered my identification — whether or not I’m Lithuanian or a European composer. It simply did not matter. After which once I got here to the U.S., I noticed that, actually, I carry with me some identification, whether or not I needed it or not, and I’ve to be answerable for that identification. I can not ignore it and say, “No, I am by myself.” As a result of we’re a part of our personal cultural context; we’re not showing out of nowhere. We come from some roots, and people roots are crucial.
Martinaitytė at her studio in Lithuania in 2023.
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As we communicate, you might be in an outdated household dwelling within the again nation of Lithuania, within the midst of nature. Can we hear Lithuania in your music?
I believe you do. The way it comes about is thru intonations of the native language. When you’re born, the primary publicity of your native tongue kinds some type of understanding of what the music of the language is, and due to this fact we’re drawn to these specific intonations. The Lithuanian language has a number of downward intonations and minor intervals, so that’s mirrored within the people music and in all of the composers’ harmonic selections. Whether or not you need it or not, you might be drawn to a sure sound, harmonically talking. And the identical applies to the rhythmic group, as a result of the language additionally carries some inherent rhythmic patterns in the way in which it punctuates time. I believe that additionally impacts our understanding of music, and why we select to hearken to one thing that does the identical factor as our language.
Talking of language, I’ve typically returned to Aletheia, your album of choral works. You possibly can hear the complicated layering of excessive Renaissance choral music, but in addition distinctly fashionable harmonies that remind me of Ligeti. Oddly, it is a choral album with out phrases.
The Lithuanian language has a number of vowels, even double vowels. In my choral works, I take advantage of a number of vowels, and you’ll hear the reference to the language — however as soon as once more, I’m aiming for final freedom of expression. I do not wish to be restricted by the textual content, as a result of any textual content would outline the which means and due to this fact make it extra slender. If you do not have textual content, the internal expertise may be far more assorted, and folks have extra freedom to listen to how the voices are combining, how the time flows and what occurs harmonically.
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On March 11, 1990, Lithuania declared independence from a soon-to-collapse Soviet authorities. Your first compositions date from about 1990. Having grown up beneath Soviet rule, what have been your ideas whenever you began composing? Was music a protected area for you then?
I used to be actually fortunate — my inventive path coincided with the nation’s liberation and freedom. That was the enticing half about being in music, as a result of music did not have to say something, it might be simply itself. As a teen, I used to be staying up late at evening, composing when all people was asleep, and I felt so free. Music was a promise of freedom for me, at all times.
Is music nonetheless a protected area for you right now?
I’d say so, sure. It is also a refuge from all of the troubles and complexities of the world, as a result of it would not matter what occurs round you. After all, we’ve got to react and reply and course of all the pieces that seems in the environment. However when you go into that musical inventive area, you’ll be able to let go of all these issues and simply be with sounds. And sounds do not should symbolize a message, essentially. They could be a very highly effective device, however they do not should be.
I am guessing you have to have felt a unique type of freedom whenever you moved to the U.S.?
In 2006, we moved to San Francisco as a result of my husband is from the Bay Space, and in 2009 we moved to New York. I needed to be in a bigger context, as a result of coming from a smaller nation, you at all times wish to broaden, and the inventive group is a lot bigger in New York than anyplace else.
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I think about not too many individuals in New York have been conscious of your music again then.
Sure, it took some years to get heard. Nevertheless it was an incredible expertise, as a result of no one knew who I used to be — I may create something, and no one cared. That was an attention-grabbing internal check. It actually matured me as an artist, as a result of I quietly determined it would not matter whether or not anyone needs my music. I relaxed and began composing, and music was flowing freely with none preoccupations.
Are you able to level to a breakthrough piece for you when it comes to your visibility, one thing that helped increase your profession?
There have been a number of small breakthroughs, in 2004 and 2006, however I wasn’t pleased with these. The one which mattered most to me was In Search of Misplaced Magnificence, that I began in 2015. That was an actual turning level for me.
That is the piece I used to be fascinated with, too. Have been you, certainly, seeking misplaced magnificence on the time?
I used to be seeking misplaced time, like Proust was, as a result of I would had an accident. With out going into particulars, I used to be residing in Paris and I wasn’t functioning correctly as a result of I had a concussion, so all the pieces was slowed down for me. I began taking note of the smallest particulars of the on a regular basis, and I observed how stunning all the pieces is when you begin taking note of it. I noticed that it is our consideration that creates the sweetness — that issues are usually not stunning in themselves, however as soon as we flip our gaze to them, they abruptly grow to be one thing extraordinary.
That transformation of notion, from abnormal actuality into extraordinary actuality, that is what I skilled by way of my therapeutic after the concussion. After which I believed, in music, I may do the identical factor — take the smallest particles of sound, the smallest gestures, and by inserting further consideration onto them, I may create that sense of what I referred to as magnificence.
A unique type of turning level got here for you earlier, in 2006, when your father handed away. You have mentioned that your music turned extra direct, extra emotionally uncooked and extra accessible.
Earlier than he died, I used to be on the peak of my existence, my happiest time. I used to be a newlywed and I used to be simply on the peak of my energy in each respect. After which when he handed, I wasn’t prepared for it. I had so many emotional layers that opened up inside me. It was just like the Grand Canyon — you see all these layers of time. I used to be like, “How do I cope with it now?” After which I understood that different human beings are experiencing the identical factor after they encounter the lack of their family members. I believed to myself, “The music undoubtedly can’t be simply sounds; it needs to be a device to assist unravel these emotional states.” You must have some type of protected atmosphere to face these new guidelines inside your self, to lastly acknowledge them and possibly in some way rework them.
I keep in mind an outdated gentleman got here to me crying after my piece Saudade was carried out on the New York Philharmonic in 2022. He mentioned, “You possibly can’t think about what I skilled by way of your piece. The whole lot got here again, all my reminiscences that I by no means needed to consider, all my painful issues I used to be avoiding, all of the traumas of my life I used to be efficiently coping with. I do not know whether or not to thanks or what.” I am very grateful to have had this expertise, as a result of I did not realize it was potential.
That is the immense energy of music. Maybe you’ll be able to consider your musical breakthrough as your father’s closing reward to you.
I believe so. By some means his departure helped this immersion and opening into the music. He was very instrumental in my improvement. After I was a baby, I did not have a metronome, so he was sitting subsequent to me on the piano, being my metronome.
Oh, that’s candy.
He got here to each live performance of my music. Even at his funeral, I observed one thing protruding from the pocket of his go well with. I believed, “What’s this?” And it was a ticket to 1 my concert events.
After his loss of life, I used to be writing the piece Fully Embraced by the Lovely Vacancy. At each web page I used to be writing, I used to be seeing his face — it was as if, with the notes, I used to be creating the contours of his face. As a result of the emotional panorama was so robust, I did not query my technique of expression. I used to be simply going for what I felt in these moments, and it was as uncooked as it could get. I cried and cried by way of the method of writing that piece, however when it was over, I felt that I may proceed to stay in some way.
Martinaitytė consults throughout a recording session for her album Saudade, on the Lithuanian Nationwide Philharmonic Corridor in Vilnius in 2020.
D. Matvejev
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I would like to speak in regards to the strategy of writing music. It may be vastly completely different for composers. Some deal with it very very like a 9 to five job, going to the studio. Others have a extra versatile relationship with course of. I’ve heard you describe composing as “mysterious.”
Sure, it’s a mysterious course of since you can not assure the end result. It would not matter what number of hours you set in — it could occur, however on the identical time, it may not occur. I compose day-after-day in a method or one other. Even when I do not write notes, I nonetheless compose in my head.
How does that work, composing in your head?
I hear music, I develop music, after which I take notes within the voice memos on my telephone — generally singing a melody, normally extra simply describing the method or a construction or a gesture of some kind. It is at all times occurring on some degree. After which, in fact, there are goals that additionally come into the image. I hear music fairly often in goals.
Then I spend a number of time simply doing the work, going through the clean web page and all that. I’ve observed that, for instance you’ve got two or three weeks the place you compose day-after-day, then the circulate is far simpler — all the pieces is extra natural. I do want staying put, particularly within the summertime once I come to Lithuania. I have a tendency to enter this type of deep-focus section; it lasts two months or so, and I simply compose day-after-day. There are not any breaks, nothing else however music. Typically I do not even have any outer life, simply composing.
One necessary inspiration for you, it appears, is the pure world. You are not alone — historical past is crammed with composers impressed by nature, from Vivaldi‘s summertime thunderstorms in The 4 Seasons to John Luther Adams‘ Grow to be Ocean. What do you get from the outside?
To begin with, silence — which, in fact, is stuffed with sounds, however remains to be silence in comparison with the noise of our city environments. Inside that silence, there are such a lot of subtleties of sounds, so many simultaneous new layers, an unimaginable polyphony of microscopic gestures occurring. I believe I am listening to nature as I’d hearken to music; my ears are at all times attuned to one thing, and I make up buildings from what I hear.
Martinaitytė rehearsing Hadal Zone with members of the ensemble Synaesthesis on the Church of St. Catherine in Vilnius, Lithuania, in 2023.
Arūnas Baltėnas
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One piece of yours, impressed by nature, that I discover endlessly fascinating is Hadal Zone, a journey down by way of the deepest depths of the ocean. It is scored for low devices — bass clarinet, tuba, contrabass, piano and electronics.
Within the trajectories of the journeys in my items, the directionality is twofold — it is both going in the direction of the sunshine or going in the direction of darkness, so it is both ascending or descending in numerous proportions, in numerous situations.
In Hadal Zone you begin lighter, after which go darker.
I do. Though it is referred to as Hadal Zone, which is the identify of the deepest zone within the ocean, the complete piece is about all of the ocean zones traversed from the floor to the depths.
I got here up with the concept from studying a e-book about archaeological excavations deep into the earth. I got here throughout an outline of ocean zones and thought that was excellent for a chunk, and I wrote it out as a undertaking proposal for my Guggenheim fellowship. I believed, if they offer me the Guggenheim I’ll do the piece — as a result of it is simply an excessive amount of to tackle on my own. After which I not solely obtained the award, but in addition the pandemic began. So it was inside these darkish occasions once we all descended to our depths that this piece was occurring.
It is a piece that advantages from listening from starting to finish and letting the music wash over and thru you. I really feel there’s an rising curiosity, within the final 10 years or so, in what we would loosely name ambient music — instrumental music that is gradual and fosters introspection and serenity. A few of your music has these qualities — Hadal Zone and the items on Ex tenebris lux for example. Are these meditative qualities one thing you are actively attempting to placed on show in your music?
I believe it is extra a mirrored image of the actual time when these items have been created. As a result of the items you point out have been from the end result of the pandemic — this type of gradual, suspended time with not a lot occurring.
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I’d say there’s lots happening in these items, truly.
That is the factor — regardless that these traits you described are becoming for ambient music, on the identical time there’s a lot occurring. Even with Hadal Zone, in some unspecified time in the future there is a climax, which has nothing to do with calming down or an ambient environment. There’s at all times some type of restlessness; nonetheless a lot I attempt to go for these extra meditative states, in some unspecified time in the future I nonetheless want power.
I wish to name my music “statically dynamic.” In some methods it’s extremely static, however there is a dynamism inside it. I wish to have this type of ambiguity of each, as a result of that is additionally the duality of our human existence. We have now physique and thoughts, proper? And we’re by no means with out this duality. We will go for a very long time on this static mode, however in some unspecified time in the future it simply has to interrupt by way of.
We started this dialog with a quote from any person else about your music. I would like to finish with a quote of your individual: “With music, I at all times really feel like I am touching one thing a lot bigger than myself, like an enormous power or an power area. And whenever you come nearer, it pulls you in like gravity.” To me, that sounds each amazingly inspirational and a bit horrifying on the identical time.
[Laughs] It’s each. Frightful, as a result of it is the unknown and unreliable nature of that power. That is what creativity is inside ourselves — we’ve got this immense energy to create one thing out of nothing, and once we expertise it in its most acute state, it is just like the universe is increasing inside us. However actually, you might be solely a participant in that massive power. It is the identical as our relationship to the complete universe; it is enormous and we’re so small. That inventive energy or power, it is nothing particular person. It is not one thing we are able to attribute to ourselves and say, “I’m a creator.” No, we’re not the creators. We’re merely contributors in that larger factor that’s occurring, and you’ll see that it comes and goes in waves, and has its personal logic in how sure items of music or sure items of artwork are showing at sure occasions as they’re wanted by us. Proper now I am composing an opera, which is a large endeavor — however two years in the past, earlier than even beginning to compose it, I already heard all of it in my thoughts, in my goals. So it looks like it already exists someplace, and now I simply should make it occur.
